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What's interesting about Beetlejuice, the animated series, is the fact that it was the first and probably only attempt of regular Cartoon Network animators to adapt to Tim Burton's drawing style. You know how recently some artists took it as a challenge to adapt various cartoon and tv shows characters to Tim Burton's style (such as Doctor Who and various Disney characters just to see what they would look like? Well, Beetlejuice was exactly the opposite of this. They took characters that had originally been created by Tim Burton and tried to adapt them as much as possible to a child-friendly, Cartoon Network-ish show. They do resemble Tim Burton's earlier cartoons (e.g.: Vincent), but also have a more Hanna & Barbera look to them and a more fluid way of moving than the stiff movements that are characteristic of Burton's cartoons.

It is pretty interesting. back in the day I didn't know that a movie existed until after the cartoon was well known and watching it you realise that the cartoon really took liberties with some aspects of the characters, including beetlejuice himself. Still you were sucked into a world of its own and I think it was a success. I don't think it is easy to adapt Tim Burton's style into child-friendly cartoons wand still keep the atmosphere vibe. The awakening of Beetlejuice from his grave in the opening of the second season still gets me.
Honestly the past year were filled with grizzly reboots of fairy tales and recounts of old historical figures with a supernatural fantasy mixture. I hope the wheel turns around soon enough.

That looks pretty cool. I cannot make cool things with PAint.
I look forward seeing more of your art.

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I've never watched any of the ones mentioned in this thread so far. I'll have to check them out when I have some free time.

If we're talking about old cartoons, does "Cow and Chicken" and "Beetlejuice" fall into this category? Those are the earliest cartoon shows I remember watching as a kid.

Cow and Chicken was probably after but Beetlejuice might actually make the 1995 limit cut.
And I want to add that I freaking loved that show! ♥

This video is really good. I am still sad. His passing away was truly shocking for me.

This video is really well done. It is a very good compilation of his life events and outlooks in them. He was driven by his passion and that is something wonderful.

I love how Iwata thought of Shigeru as a rival first and then how they became good friends after working together in a project. I wonder if shigsy also learned from Iwata during those times.

I love that you shared your pets and I wanted to talk more about mine before answering here but enough time has passed.

It was a beautiful story about Simba. I am glad you got a hold of him and is now with you.

Your rats are so cute too. How are they doing now? Any plans for the cage yet?

I thought I had already answered this and I did not save any kind of draft. I believe the reason was taht this thread send me into a spiral of nostalgia that ended with me hugging my butterscotch until near dawn watching old cartoon intros and lamenting the fact taht many of them I cannot really talk with someone enthusiast because they were part of the mexican television.

Fortunately, there were also many, many US shows dubbed for us and I lived near the border so I had access to a lot of those US morning cartoons. My mind is a mess remembering what things I watched in what languages sometimes. Also, since I did tried to answer this before I want to think I'll be able to post it now that I have some idea of shows I wanted to talk about.

Have you heard of the Wuzzles? I was crazy for taht as a kid. Would rent their stuff and hope they'd pass them on television. It is a disney cartoon in a world that mixed two animals into one creature. The episodes are centered in a group of friends and their adventures day by day. It was by disney and maybe I overrate it because of memories. I haven't tried to rewatch it but I'll gladly will if I get the chance. Anyway, this is the intro:

Another I used to watch was the anime version of The Wizard of Oz. They passed through Spanish television. It is pretty good. I would recommend it and I am trying to get the original dub I grew up with. Apparently it is close with the book and from I recall there is a bit of everything in it.

I was going to give you the original intron or the english dub but this one is catchier. Hahah.

Probably not what you had in mind but I suppose you already knew some of the classics. This might not be your cuppa but I thought it'd be fine to share them here anyway. I'd love to know what wacky cartoons did other members recall from that era.

I think I basically agree with your points so I had nothing noteworthy to add.

I think the distinction you made about operant conditioning through punishment having to be immediate really explains not only the prison but a lot of other instances like for example your parents. I guess a human can retain some bigger lapse of time simply because cause -> effect can be understood a deduction. For example when we do something wrong and get find out many days after we know immediately why we're in trouble but a dog won't relate things as well as we do. I wonder if the argument had to do with testing animals or if actually was tested in humans, or if it is just in theory. Other than those thoughts that divert from it, I think it is an argument I can agree with as it makes sense to me.

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One example many of us might be familiar with from school. I was (/am) a submissive geeky kid. Being around me wasn't exactly the place to be, unless you felt sorry for me and wanted to make some kind of point. The response of the males to this was to keep calling me gay (or many other words for the same thing). It was so drilled into me as a negative thing, the idea that if I kept being socially backwards I would somehow become gay or be identified as gay, that it sticks in me even now as something quite threatening. I know, of course, that it's rubbish, but if someone ever asks me anything about my orientation or sexual experiences, I feel quite panicky, and feel desperate to assert my straightness. It's an emotional response - I can control and repress my actions, but I cannot control that emotional response. That to me is an effective display of operant conditioning. I'll wager that you might have similar baggage carried with you from your school days.

I think we all suffer from this kind of conditioning one way or another. I was pretty extroverted as a child but one too many pushes has made me prune to get anxiety for simple tasks like making a phone call, even if it is for my own interest. I get so nervous that my mind goes blank and I heard noises people are making but my brain somehow cannot interpret them into words. I also have always been called fat, regardless my weight. Only as an adult I realised taht even though I was conditioned to think of me as fat many pictures shows me in a quite healthy shape and realising that is something taht brings me to tears now. I was so ashamed of my own self image that I limited myself in everything. never joined any activity club because I know I'd be the fatty that gets shoved topa team because I was the last one to be picked. That I'd be the slowest runner. I accepted it and believed it. I am doing much better now, I think it is re-conditioning by exposing yourself to those situations and gaining confidence in dealing with them. But like you said, due the strong hold it is easy to withdrawn back to them. it is just how you learn to cope. What worked for you most of the time so you go back in the damn wheel and push the button that you think will be less likely to give you an electric shock.

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There is one huge question left unanswered. If we don't like punishment, what's the alternative? I mean, some people are dangerous, so you need to at least lock them away. And teaching people how to behave ethically - can it really be done without any form of punishment?

I think the problem is not really about if we should punish or not, but when to punish and how so it is not pointless.

Back to the dangerous people that might need to be locked away. This also brings the bureaucracy of the whole legal system and the human imperfection. Everything takes so long taht even an innocent person can already have their lives changed forever before they can be proven innocent. Some people being corrupts and manipulating the process. The money moving a lot under the table. People not trusting the system. It is all a mess. If people won't trust in the ones supposed to deliver the justice, why would they see with anything else than distrust the punishments and the way they are handled out?

It is already a mess to punish people of petty offenses by lumping them together with people of serious crimes and then turn a blind eye to the repe and hardships taht go in prison because we rather to believe that everyone taht is in there deserves all taht they're getting. In fact, I don't understand much the idea of sending people to jail for that kind of petty offenses in the first place. Jails are usually already overcrowded as it is.

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I have already seen them all, recently and a long time ago. I even owned them on VHS once.

I used to have some of the movies in VHS but the series I never had the need to own them back then because they were airing every week and it was still ongoing. Nice to hear you have watched them recently too. :D

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Wouldn't trust anywhere from Ocarina of Time. You seen what's under Kakariko Village? And Hyrule Castle Town burns to the ground.

Hahaha. I hadn't considered that about the well... and cursed house... and the graveyard... and Kakariko being located just at the foot of an active volcano... Man, I should really reconsider my choices here.

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I mean, once everybody else is dead I'm free to begin a trading empire that will pretty quickly outstrip the feeble economy of...whatever you call Wind Waker's world.

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AND you could remove the sea and lead the recolonisation of the revirgined Hyrule. All praise Lord Ganonwalker!

And now the reference in the name Link Skywalker have come to full circle.

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However, despite their recent attempts to create a revenue program for content creators that is just as well-thought as YouTube's, despite their new video streaming platforms that competes with Twitch and YouTube Live, and despite the fact that they have invested in creating mobile apps for iOS, Android and Windows Phone, they don't seem to be increasing in popularity at all.

Chalk that also to the ignorance. People often don't know dailymotion offers this kind of thing so they are not even considered. Oftentimes people talk about how another platform needs to be on the rise, but I honestly think that unless most of the big youtubers migrated out of youtube people will just get their fix there. furthermore, because these YT bigshots have the earnings from the videos as their income source it is very likely they would willingly risk to jeopardise it by moving somewhere else.

Then you have this mentality as well:

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if dailymotion had as much activity as YouTube I'd rush over there with my videos in a heart beat. YouTube is screwed up with its copyright crap

Which basically people saying they won't give the first step until all the rest do even if they admit to be uncomfortable with the way YT is going.

Perhaps the thing with DM is that it looks dated. They also are using the things we disliked about the YT changes. Like the "What to watch or who to follow" as the main things instead of simply taking us to our subscriptions. And having video recomendaciones not only on the side but under the comments is annoying. I like they show less comments but you can't really interact with people there.

The weirdest thing is that I've seen some people posting videos in both platforms and I don't see why not. It is not like you should be exclusive to either if producing the video is where most of the headaches comes from. If most people also uploaded to dailymotion it'd give more of a reason to visit. One Mexican Youtuber I follow posts his videos first in dailymotion and then re-releases them in youtube some weeks after. He really would rather to depend on DM if he is giving the preference and if more Youtubers at least did this kind of thing maybe we could shift the tide a bit. For us making the habit of checking DM first and sharing from there more often.

Definitely the Wii U could do with some more popularity but it is kind of late for it. Everybody decided to talk on how it was dead even before it was out for a year. Nintendo didn't help things with the name and their marketing as many people just assumed it was a peripheral for the Wii or an upgrade like the the "new" 3DS was for the Nintendo 3DS.

It also had to do with a lack of friendliness to port games from third parties and the apathy to give it a shot when they had other outlets more readily available. I don't mind another generation with the NNID and the Miis but I would love something completely differently in the console itself. Something that will not be a Wii Something.

With all this said. I think Wii U in itself has been picking up and actually has done better in sales than what the media seems eager to make us believe they are.

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I got all 9 seasons, two movies and 3 specials so far

That's pretty cool! Have you binge watched the seasons yet?

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1) Is there a difference between justice and revenge?

Yes. Justice is about being just. Revenge is about making someone pay for what they did, in many cases it involves extracting a bigger cost. It is about personal gratification and dominance.

I think revenge and justice get mixed because both are related to fairness. The reason a person feels retaliating is because they don't feel justified the original blow. Since justice is about fairness many people go black and white ona situation and expects an eye for an eye kind of solution to be synonymous with justice.

This reminds me of the King Solomon and the tale taht scared me off as a kid.

"King Solomon"

I might be a bit off in details but the gist is the following: Two women, one with a baby of a few days old, entered the court of the King to solve their problem. They were living under the same roof they had given birth around the same time but one of the babies had died the night before. The one without the creature claimed to be the real mother and that the other woman had stolen her baby and exchanged for the corpse. The woman with the kid kept assuring to be the real mother and that the first woman was trying to keep her baby because she lost her own. So King Solomon called for a sword and gave the verdict to divide the baby and give a half to each. Soon enough once of the woman cried out for the baby's life and asked to just give the baby to the other woman. Solomon then decided she was the real mother and gave the son to her.
Even though the bible version makes clear she was actually the real mother and the other woman still bitter with her own baby death as being fine with the split verdict, I don't think it is what really matters. We have two people claiming to be the parent and one baby. The way justice is imparted here is that without doubt the baby ended up in the arms of the person that cared for the creature the most. It was never the main point to divide the child but to create a gut response that revealed what kind of feelings they had for the baby. The kid would have a better future that way.

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2) Is revenge ok?

I think that in general revenge is a negative mindset because it means you're not moving from situations and letting your pride being your pilot. The bitterness that comes with it is a natural human emotion that would be unhealthy to bottle and ignore. Revenge fantasies are a normal coping mechanism. So in itself the idea of revenge seems to be a part of humanity to me. The intention and severity of the actions moved by revenge are the issue and not the revenge in itself. If said revenge means the harm of one or more individuals then that form of revenge is not okay.
So for example, if killing is wrong, killing for revenge is still wrong.

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3) Does punishment work?

I didn't really connect Justice with punishment until the question. I don't think we can answer a contundent yes or a contundent no. It depends on the situation, the punishment and what it is the point of it. Negative reinforcement is one of the reasons you get a punishment and in the basic level it works. You associate the bad action with pain. The problem with this comes that it is not really changing someone's mind on something as mucha s training them to control their impulse toward certain things, or at least is the intention. Punishing a criminal is meant to have them stride away from crime but instead for many the lesson becomes "don't get caught". It does nothing for a person to understand why it was wrong or come to a inner resolution to stop it.

Killing a killer. Is it revenge or justice? Debate has been going on for a long time and I have no clear stance on it being the right or the wrong thing to do. Do you kill the murder to avoid more innocent bloodshed? Do you kill them because it is a life for a life penalty?Do you kill them to show dominance over other people that might be thinking on killing?

Should someone who killed but shows remorse been treated any better than that of an unrepentant one?

I don't know. I just feel taht when I was a kid Justice was a crystal clear black and white situation but as I grew up became this complex things where my beliefs became challenged by books, video games and other media.

Video by SwankyBox
I think it was a fun what-if video.
I guess it really depends if you count Link's arsenal staying in-OoT world or Link counting with it.

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I just started buying the BluRay remastered editions (i read that they had the American Faulconer music on them). I just bought the first two seasons roughly 74 episodes. Maybe next Thursday I will get two more, thre are 9 in total.

So... how's your collection going, Link?

Inserting obligatory Iceberg image.

I haven't changed my wallpaper in a while so right now it is just a Tri Force heroes wallpaper and in my mobile Young Link in a red background.

If Termina wasn't doomed that'd be my choice.
My second choice would be Koholint but if you have played LA you know why is out of my list as well.
I guess, I'll go with OoT's Hyrule. I enjoy the minigames. I can go fishing, walking around, checking on the Ranch. It'd be nice living in Kakariko Village.

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I don't own enough skinnyjeans and black hair dye to live in Twilight Princess's Hyrule.

Are you planning to stand out? :lengua:

The Legend of Zelda: 10
Zelda II: Adventure of Link: 8
A Link to the Past: 11
Link's Awakening: 12
Ocarina of Time: 12
Majora's Mask: 11
Oracle of Ages: 4
Oracle of Seasons: 4 (-3)
Minish Cap: 10
Wind Waker: 10
Twilight Princess: 10
Skyward Sword: 10
A Link Between Worlds: 10
Triforce Heroes: 4 (+1)

I am ignorant of the details on the French Revolution. I might recall a bit more than I give myself credit for, buried with my school years and spanish terms. What I remember is that it was something massive and with different layers that affected different things culture, social classes, laws. I think even literature and other arts got shaped by this. Heck, I am almost sure that their eccho reached Mexico and a lot of the ideals were huge detonators for "new Spain" to decide to fight for their own independance and constitution.