Split Timeline Theory

  • Notice this is still a theory and not really a true fact.


    What I believe is called the Split Timeline. That means whatever happened after Adult OoT and whatever happened when Link went back in time after laying the Master Sword to rest.


    First we have OoT:


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    OoT
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    The above links above OoT are the Adult Timeline. The bottom ones are Child.


    We have two games that happen nearly after OoT, but at the same time. Those are TWW and TP. And of course MM came before that.


    ........TWW-PH
    ||
    OOT
    ||
    MM...TP


    So we have 4 games already pieced into this. That leaves, LOZ, AOL, ALTTP, LA, OOS, OOA, FS, FSA, and TMC.


    We still have problems with TWW and the Master Sword being stuck under water. I am guessing that is where LOZ and AOL came, because back then the Master Sword was called the Magicial Sword. The Sword may have been released up from the seas, landed somewhere in AOL and Ganon was free once again.


    .........TWW...PH...LOZ...AOL...
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    OOT
    ||
    MM....TP


    TMC, FS, and FSA do not really need to be placed together. However FS and FSA will be put together after PH and before ALTTP due to the fact that that both show similar geographies to ALTTP. Also, LA was a sequel to ALTTP, so we put it right after.


    .........TWW...PH...LOZ...AOL...FS/FSA...ALTTP...LA
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    OOT
    ||
    MM....TP


    In OOS and OOA both TwinRovas were trying to revive Ganondorf. They used the sorrow and chaos to gather up energy to revive Ganon. And for what reason? To destroy the world. There was no Master Sword at this time and after ALTTP the Master Sword rested forever because it thought there was no more evil.


    .........TWW...PH...LOZ...AOL...FS/FSA...ALTTP...LA...OOS/OOA
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    OOT
    ||
    MM....TP


    TMC basically can be placed anywhere on the timeline, but it should be placed somewhere way before FS and FSA due to the fact it explains the origins of Vaati.

    .........TWW...PH...LOZ...AOL...FS/FSA...ALTTP...LA...OOS/OOA
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    OOT
    ||
    MM....TP


    --TMC???



    I think that gives decent info and most people go with this theory, but I want to know what you think about it and possibly correct me of error.

  • Quote from Shrukan


    Notice this is still a theory and not really a true fact.


    Sorry, it is. Nintendo themselves confirmed two timelines OoT made :)


    Also, there are two master swords. In my opinion, the games go like this.



    OoT
    ^
    / \
    MM TWW
    | |
    TP PH
    |
    TMC
    |
    FS
    |
    FSA
    |
    ALttP
    |
    LA
    |
    Oracles
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    LoZ
    |
    AoL



    It is fact LA goes after ALttP, Nintendo said this, so did the manual. Same for AoL, it comes after LoZ, and Nintendo confirmed it as the end. FSA leads into ALttP, sort of, from the hints given in the game, and yes, the FS saga is part of the main storyline, Nintendo even said that. Same goes with Oracles, I don't care if they were partially made by Capcom, Shiggy supervised them. Nintendo recently confirmed TP in the kid timeline, and MM we already know is.


    See, OoT, MM(at the very beginning, anyways, before falling into the lost woods portal to Termina), TP, TWW, and POSSIBLY PH all take place in Old Hyrule, with TWW and POSSIBLY PH taking place in a flooded Old Hyrule. After PH, they find a New Hyrule, and they also revive all the old stuff, including the council of the sages, and they decide to make a NEW Master Sword, but they don't have the wisdom of the original creators, so it doesn't have the same power as the old one, possibly why you need the Silver/light arrows for a couple future games. Nintendo also confirms on zelda.com that the Magical Sword from LoZ is in fact the Master Sword, or at least a powered up version. The white sword in that game is also a pwoered down Four Sword.


    Which brings me to this. When they foudn new hyrule, monsters roamed it. They got help from the Minish, who gave them the light force, which quite possibly could be the Triforce, and the Picori Sword. A hero, possibly ancestor of Link from TMC, or a descendant of Link from TWW/PH, or TWW Link himself, sealed the monsters using the Picori Sword.


    The Triforce jumps around all over the place after TWW. If it IS the Light force, then maybe after TWW, the Triforce landed in the future New Hyrule, and chose it as the new land, and then guided Link and Tetra and crew to the New Hyrule. And possibly during sometime, someone sealed it into Princess Zelda. That doesn't explain how betwee TMC and ALttP, it goes from Princess Zelda to the Dark World, which was made ever since OoT. I'm hoping a future Four Swords game comes out and answers some questions.


    And ehhh, Shrukan, you're wrong. Master Sword is in the oracles, but only in a linked game. Which also brings up another question. In the oracles, in one linked game, it just gets handed to you by an old man(similiar to Magical sword from LoZ), but we'll ignore that. We'll take the other linked as canon, which is where you power up the Noble Sword INTO the Master Sword. Which givs us a question. How did the Master Sword go from outside a forest, and pwoered down, and just tossed among people? Either that, OR this could be a 3rd Master Sword that was made during these games, and possibly the same one that is the "Magical" Sword in LoZ.


    It is also worth noting the similiarities between the Dark Mirror from FSa and the Mirror of Twilight from TP. Both have the same background, and evil race got sealed into them for storming hyrule in search of power(in this case, the Triforce, which hints back to the great war before OoT). But, if the Mirro of Twilight was broken into pieces, with all the pieces disappeared into thin air, at the end of TP, how did it travel, fully repaired, to the new hyrule thousands of years later and placed in the pyramids?


    Also, TP and TWW aren't at the same time. TP was merely 100 years after the child's timeline, where as TWW was HUNDREDS of years, my guess being 800, after the adult OoT.


    At this point, it is not known if MM/OoT kid link ever made it back to Hyrule, or if he was trapped inTermina. However, it's a pretty good bet he made it back, because TP hints at him being a descendant of THAT Link.


    It is not known if Ganondorf is gone for good and the kid timeline is ended, but it's a strong possibility Nintendo's next Wii Zelda is a sequel, if they go by their Zelda pattern. But we don't know for right now.


    That's all for now, post more later.

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    It is also note worthing the similiarities between the Dark Mirror from FSa and the Mirror of Twilight from TP. Both have the same background, and evil race got sealed into them for storming hyrule in search of power(in this case, the Triforce, which hints back to the great war before OoT). But, if the Mirro of Twilight was broken into pieces, with all the pieces disappeared into thin air, at the end of TP, how did it travel, fully repaired, to the new hyrule thousands of years later and placed in the pyramids?


    Actually, Killswitch from Zelda Legacy made a timeline most people like and it has mainly games not tied to each other.


    I think some of this is just confusing, but from what facts I made I can see this timeline as nearly good as Killswitch's.

  • Quote from TriforceMaster3000


    Nintendo made the games. i go by what they say, if they say something goes where, it's pretty much fact, regardless of other people's theories.


    Thats what i think as well.

  • Hey Shrukan, why don't you put TMC before FS?
    Also, why do you put LOZ/AOL before the the FS saga and ALTTP/LA?
    At the end of AOL the Triforce is in the possession of the Royal family again.
    FS/FSA does not feature the Triforce and in ALTTP, the Triforce is in the Sacred Realm, now turned Dark World.


    It would involve speculation as to how the Triforce went from Royal Family to Sacred Realm...
    Also, the box of ALTTP (SNES) says the game features the ancestors of LOZ...

  • Quote from TriforceMaster3000


    You're very right. A lot of stuff Shrukan said goes against the real stuff that is factual. AoL comes at the end for example, that's fact, Nintendo said this themselves, and have forever held it.


    I heard from others that the Magicial Sword in AOL is the Master Sword as they both have the same qualities, I think.

  • It is, Nintendo lists the Magic(al) sword from both LoZ and AoL is the Master Sword of that time. I thought there were only two master swords, the original from OoT, TP, and TWW, and then the one from the others, but this topic has given me some thought that there may be three.


    1st Master Sword forged by the first Council of the Sages possibly centuries before Ocarina of Time, to be used as a key to lock the Sacred Realm in the Temple of Time.
    Used in:
    -Ocarina of Time
    -Twilight Princess
    -The Wind Waker


    2nd Master Sword forged during the founding of New Hyrule by the new Council of the Sages, not as strong as the original though because they don't lack the same magic and the vast knowledge of the ancient sages, which is why you need the Silver arrows.
    Used in:
    -A Link to the Past
    -Quite Possibly as the imaginary 2nd Level sword in Link's Awakening, but it's not known at all


    (it should be noted that after A Link to the Past, they decided it won't be used anymore since Hyrule was in a golden age with the Triforce Link had found, so they had erased all knowledge of it and it basically stay sealed in the forest forever, similiar to how they sealed the Four Sword and erased all knowledge of it after FSA, but yet an old man, possibly an old sage, gets a hold of it in a weakened state as the White Sword and gives it to you as a level 2 sword in LoZ)


    3rd Master Sword forged by people in the Oracle games, one of the ways you can get it is by upgrading the Noble Sword, another way is by getting it from an old man, who possibly could be a sage. Because of it being upgraded FROM a Noble Sword, which in itself USED to be a lowly wooden sword, it can be assumed this is a New Master Sword.
    Used in:
    -linked oracle games
    -Legend of Zelda(named as the "Magical Sword" the level 3 sword)
    -Adventure of Link


    (note: it can be assumed that this Master Sword is just as powerful as the first one, mainly because the games it's used in, you don't need the silver arrows, and not to mention when the third one was forged, it has been centures, if not milleniums since new hyrule was founded, so obviously the generations of sages have gotten stronger and wiser and could fuse it with magic just as strong as the first one)


    Also, it is not yet known what happens to the Master Sword after AoL, but we'll probably never know. It's highly unlikely they'll make a game that comes after AoL, because of several reason. First most, 2D Zelda is basically dead now, even in handhelds, as evidenced by Phantom Hourglass, although we never know, FSA appeared on a console quite capable of awesome 3D graphics, so there may be a chance. And why this afects it is because in case you haven't noticed, All the 3D games are at the beginning of the timeline, all taking place in the time of Old Hyrule or it's flooded state. All the 2D games take place in New Hyrule, with the exception of Link's Awakening. Furthermore, AoL stated that the Triforce was finally formed yet again, this time with the strongest of powers because Link is the one who formed it, and at that time, his soul was pure and basically the perfect balance, because he just defeated all the darkness in him that was Shadow Link, and the Triforce brought Hyrule into a Golden Age better than the one after ALttP, and to ensure it stayed that way, all of Ganon's henchmen had been slain, and his ashes were not destroyed, they still kept his soul in them, so they divided the ashes into 4 parts and put them in the corners of hyrule(kind of like how in olden days, they would kill oppressors and take each of their limbs and take them to the corners) to ensure he never came back. So AoL seemed to have ended everything. But who knows, it's Nintendo, and we all know Nintendo does the unexpected *coughwiicoughwiiremotecough*

  • I don't think that the Sword in LOZ is the, or A different Master Sword at all...
    But thats my personal opinion since there is no real evidence to show this...
    I think there is only one Master Sword...And this is what the Game itself points toward...
    Also, the Master Sword's Appearance in the Oracles Games is an easter egg...


    Quote from TriforceMaster3000


    You're very right. A lot of stuff Shrukan said goes against the real stuff that is factual. AoL comes at the end for example, that's fact, Nintendo said this themselves, and have forever held it.


    TMC states in itself it comes before the FS saga.


    To tell you the truth, in an interview many years ago, Miyamoto said that LOZ comes before ALTTP...
    Now, based on common sense, in-game evidence, the box of alttp, and the fact that its outdated, that quote is rubbish.
    However, if building a completely Developer Quote Timeline, That quote must be taken into account.

  • I believe what miyamoto said, which was that there was a certain order of games, from first to last, i think ALTTP is last....

  • If I remember correctly the Master Sword was placed into the pedastal you got it from which is in the Lost woods which SOMEHOW, JUST MIGHT, be the same Master Sword you get in SACRED GROVE in TP. It's all just too similar... obviously there is one Master Sword I wouldn't see why not...
    I think Timeline is this:
    OoT
    l l
    MM ALttP
    l l
    TP LA
    l l
    Oracles
    l
    TMC
    l
    FS
    l
    FSA
    l
    TWW
    l
    PH
    l
    TLoZ
    l
    AoL


    Now, after the OoT splits, in the child ending, MM takes place but cannot be followed by ALttP because Ganondorf was never sealed in the child ending. Therefore, TP must take place. In the other ending, the expected ALttP and LA following it take place... but this is confusing. The Oracle Games entice some inderdimensional activity ending in cooperation between two dimensions. Perhaps, this signals that the timelines... re-form together? After OoA/S comes TMC. Why? Because in TMC you can find the Oracles from OoA/S, saying they recently moved here. In OoA/S, they were to be moved to Hyrule because it was dangerous in their land (then they got captured). Possibly the Minish came with the Light Force in this new, single dimension. Obviously after TMC comes FS and obviously again comes FSA yet after FSA Hyrule must be flooded and then comes TWW and PH. After PH (in new Hyrule I would assume) must come AoL eventually because Hyrule is on two Islands. DUH. But before AoL must come TLoZ. There you have it.


    And please don't say the Light Force is the Triforce it isn't >_< have you played TMC to the end? If you do you'll find that the Light Force is nothing like the Triforce.

  • Although that is a good thought Wild Cucco, it goes beyond all science. I sit here and type this out and let's say I decide to get a soda/pop. I just changed time lines because I COULD have continued to type and finish what I was saying, or I could come back later. Time lines never fused back together because then we'd have to recall things from the two time lines. That means that we'd have to know what happened in both the child and adult time lines.


    The only reasons you said that the Oracle games bring back together the time lines is that they simply moved to Hyrule. That is not correct. Even though they came from their respective lands over to here, there is no evidence that it brings together the lines.


    OOS, OOA, and TMC are hard to place. Although TMC has to be before FS and FSA, there are possibilities that it could come before OOT, but how did the people of Hyrule forget the Sword and the Picori/Minish? That's the tricky part that'll only be solved in future Zeldas; maybe in Zelda 2008?


    People still point out that AOL is last, but according to the story: "The Prince locked away Zelda in a room, where she laid on a bed in her eternal sleep. He then commanded that all women born in the Royal bloodline would be forever named: 'Zelda'"


    But that sentence alone above, we can now see that AOL should be placed sooner, as all Princesses so far have been named Zelda.


    There's my thoughts for this for now, but eh. What else do you have to say?

  • Quote from Shrukan


    I sit here and type this out and let's say I decide to get a soda/pop. I just changed time lines because I COULD have continued to type and finish what I was saying, or I could come back later.


    Ok, I've got a great argument for that ^_^


    You say you decide to get a soda, but did YOU really decide? What are you based off of? What made you make that decision? It may be something in the room, but it also may lay in your upbringing/personality. SOMETHING surely made you get the soda, whether you think so or not. In the least, it might have been how you were brought up by your parents; how your personality was shapen. In the end, free will just comes out to be a one ended thing; something made you do it, and something else made that something do whatever it did to make you get a soda.


    Then again that had nothing to do with the timeline @_@


    Somehow, some way, I don't know how, but Farore, Din, and Nayru all got to Hyrule for TMC; they are the Oracles; their appearence is just too similar to deny, and if you know the Oracle Games well, you would know that the Oracles were to be escorted to Hyrule because it was becoming dangerous in their lands of Labrynna and Holodrum. I would say then that it is safe to assume that the Oracle Games are the Prequels to TMC. They somehow might have shifted through dimensions; I don't know, but they got there. The only thing I think we can assume is that one timeline either fell out or they both merged.


    There are two Hyrules; Old Hyrule and New Hyrule. It's simple to decide where each games go; compare the world maps; places, landmarks, people, etc. Then we can decide what's new and what's old. However, I found the prologue of AoL quite... confusing. Partially it made me think that the Zelda event happened thousands of years before AoL... Partially it made me think it had just happened. I might need to go over the AoL prologue again, I think we all should just for safety. But until then, it seems significantly different than the Hyrule in OoT and TP.


    If you think about it, everything must be traced back to OoT's Time Paradox... and the Adult and Child endings... if that is solved so is the Timeline. I really don't feel like solving it now @_@ but I feel sometimes that I've gotten so terribly close...